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Schoeckl Tour North - Let's go for a hike

This cache invites you for a scenic hike from the Sandwirt through the Kesselfall up to the Schöckl and Niederschöckl.

by cezanne     Austria > Steiermark > Graz

N 47° 12.298' E 015° 23.928' (WGS84)

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 Size: small
Status: Available
 Time required: 6:45 h   Route: 20.5 km
 Hidden on: 01 November 2016
 Published on: 25 November 2016
 Last update: 15 January 2024
 Listing: https://opencaching.de/OC1353D
Also listed at: geocaching.com 

2 Found
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3 Notes
6 Maintenance logs
0 Watchers
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English description:



At your own risk you can jump directly to Part 2 (Field work). The stage info is collected in boxes - this is all what is needed for the puritans.


Part 1: General information


Target audience


Those who enjoy going for a longer hike and like multi caches where the cache is mainly a virtual guide along the hike. Do not expect a special container or tricky tasks along the way. The stage tasks are designed such that the walking rhythm is not broken and you can focus on the hike and the scenery.

The recommended mode of visit is on foot. Some parts of the route are suitable for MTBs too (though biking is prohibited in some segments) while other parts (Kesselfall gorge, ascent via Jägersteig to Schöckl, the route along the ridge of Niederschöckl) are not suitable for bicycles which would necessitate alternative route choices.

What to expect/highlights


The route involves a mixture of forest trails, logging roads, paved roads and almost alpine trails and will lead you through a variety of diverse landscapes. To get an impression of what to expect have a look at my photo collection.

The highlights in my opinion are the Kesselfall gorge, the scenic views along the way (I recommend to choose a day with good weather), the not much frequented sections of the trail (Jägersteig and along the ridge of Niederschöckl) and the summit area of Schöckl (with the new motoric park as additional attraction).

Route and terrain information


Start: The cache starts and ends at the Sandwirt inn.

PHEG052J Public transportation: The start can be conveniently reached by public transportation: Take Verbund bus line 140 , get off at the stop "Augraben - Sandwirt". A walk of 10-15 minutes along Prüggerweg and Kesselfallstrasse will bring you to the start.

Terrain: Expect a hike of 20-21 km and 1000 height meters elevation change. Some parts of the route (in particular the Jägersteig) are more challenging terrain-wise than the average terrain difficulty of my other caches. Most of the route is easier than T=3.5* however due to the most difficult parts and the length I chose 3.5* as T-rating.

Time requirements: Plan for 5.5-8 hours (depending on your speed, the trail conditions and the length of your breaks). Very fit cachers will be able finish within less than 5 hours. If you have no experience with longer walks and do not know how much time you need depending on length, elevation gain and terrain difficulty, then it might be better to plan for sufficient slack time and to come on a day with enough daylight time. If you come by public transportation and/or if you visit additional caches, the distance covered and the required time have to be increased.

Route: The cache route roughly follows the route described at bergfex.at (gpx file included). Between some of the stages you can however choose your own route. If you are not familiar with the area, bring along the gpx file or a reasonable map (paper or GPS-based) as I tried to keep the number of waypoints small.

The cache route leads you from the Sandwirt along the hiking trails 740 and 18 through the Kesselfallklamm (a gorge) and the Rötschgraben to the Jägerwirt inn. The Jägersteig (trail 16) leads you up to the summit of the Schöckl. From there route leads you first down to the Schöckl saddle via trail 730 and then up to the summit of Niederschöckl and along the ridge down to Loregg. Trail 767 then leads you back down to the start via the Theisslwirt inn and Präbichl.


Logs/Photos


Logs that report about your hiking experience as well as photos along the way are very welcome and highly appreciated by me, but please avoid spoilers which give away stage informations or contain the coordinates of the final.


Winter visits


The Kesselfall gorge is officially closed in Winter. You can walk through it on your own risk however. (I added an alternative for Stage 1 in case you want to avoid the gorge.)

You should however be aware of the fact that the Jägersteig up to the Schöckl summit can be quite slippery when there is snow and ice (which stays there longer - Northern hill side). Follow the cache route in Winter only when you are well equipped and have experience under such conditions.

The cache is hidden at ground level. With the help of the spoiler picture it should be findable also when there is snow, however it might be that the cache container cannot be retrieved when the temperatures are very low.


Preparations/Equipment


Entrance fee: The Kesselfall gorge is maintained by volunteers from the Alpenverein. Please be fair and pay the maintenance fee (2 Euro for adults as of 2016). There is a box at the entrance of the gorge - bring along coins there is no staff at the entrance.

Food and beverages: Inns along the way are Sandwirt (closed Mo and Nov-Apr also Tue), Jaegerwirt, Alpengasthof Schöckl and Stubenberghaus at the Schöckl summit, Theisslwirt. Given the length of the tour it is recommendable however to bring along your own provisions in addition.

Shoes: Come equipped with good shoes. When there is ice, light crampons (Groedel) might be helpful.


Part 2: Fieldwork



Collect the variables A, B, C, D, F, G, H, J, K at the Stages 1-9 (I do not use E to avoid confusion with East and avoid I for readability issues.)


Start (Sandwirt inn) N 47° 12.065' E 015° 23.990'

Parking is available at the large car park of the Sandwirt inn. In 2016 there used to be a sign saying for guests only though this never seems to have been controlled or enforced. This sign apparently got removed meanwhile. Moreover, an additional parking area has been set up on a meadow to the right of the road which leads to the Sandwirt. There a sign explicitely welcomes visitors to the Kesselfall gorge.



Route information: Follow the signs to the Kesselfall gorge. The default mode for Stage 1 makes you enter the gorge (do not forget to pay the entrance fee at the little hut at the start). If for some reason you cannot visit Stage 1 (for example dog/Winter conditions), have a look at the alternative provided further down.


Stage 1 (Kesselfall gorge) N 47° 12.298' E 015° 23.928'

The reception is jumpy in the gorge. Better rely on the description than on the coordinates.

After a longer section with no ladders you have now arrived in front of a sequence of several ladders.

  • A: The number of the first ladder of the sequence (watch out for a small metal plate at the lower end).

As a backup: Nearby you will find a metal sign with a word which starts with a capital letter on it. Add one to this word's number of letters to obtain A.



Alternative for Stage 1 (No gorge) N 47° 12.229' E 015° 23.942'

Walk to the bridge (waypoint H1) which leads to the entrance area of the gorge. Near the little hut you will find some information on locations that deserve a visit in the Semriach area.

New question as of October 2018: Let's focus on the yellow sheet on the upper right part. One line of the text consists of two words written in red.

  • A1: The number of letters of the second word in red.
  • A = A1 + 1



Stage 2 (A former mill) N 47° 12.587' E 015° 24.444'

The gorge is now behind you and a less spectacular but still nice and peaceful part of the hike is ahead of you.

You have arrived at a house which belongs to the complex of a former mill. Watch out for the edge where two facade walls meet. Close to the common edge you will find a two digit number on each of the two walls which will provide you with 4 digits.

  • B: The product (not the sum!) of the four digits.


Route information: Your way now leads you through the Rötschgraben. Follow trail 18.


Stage 3 (Rötschgraben) N 47° 12.785' E 015° 25.931'

Watch out for a white sign which has been attached to the green sign with the street name.

  • C: The two digit number on the white sign (written in black).

As a back-up: The number C is also attached to a gray object at the other side of the road.


Route information: Continue to follow trail 18. At waypoint H2 take the left trail. Your way now leads you up to Windhof. I hope that the scenic view along the way compensates you for the fact that in this part of the hike you have to walk along paved roads. You can avoid the tarmac by walking to the left of the paved area.


Time for a rest?/Help for Stage 4 N 47° 12.861 E 015° 26.501

Here a bench invites you for a short rest. I intentionally did not place a stage here - just enjoy the view and relax. If you happen to belong to the cachers who feel scared about the tree question at Stage 4 you can provide yourself with an option for a check for variable D.

Have a look at the bench and the name of the person to which it is dedicated.

  • L: The position of the name's first letter in the alphabet.




Stage 4 (Old trees in Windhof) N 47° 12.889' E 015° 26.695'

Watch out for a group of old trees: One left of the road with a trail marking on it (update: this tree got cut down - a stump remained) and three to the right of the road.

To which tree species do these trees belong to? Looking around closely might be helpful.
  • Nut trees: D=62
  • Pear trees: D=52
  • Birches: D=42
  • Plum trees: D=72
  • Oaks: D=82

You need help?: If you read the cache description carefully, the first hint for D (see the hint section) should help you. If not, I provide you with a second chance. Watch out for the nearby solar panel. Let M be the number of segments. Now the second hint should help you.



Route information: The route now lets you first pass the Jaegerwirt inn and then the building of the former North lift up to the Schöckl. From there follow trail 16 (Jägersteig) up towards the Schöckl summit. Due to storm damages and new logging roads, trail 16 is not always easy to see. I included some waypoints that might be helpful, H4 is the first among them.

Along your way you have the chance to visit the Lost place Schöckel Nordlift cache and the Need a lift? cache (with a little detour).


Stage 5 (Hunters trail/Jägersteig) N 47° 12.204' E 015° 27.713'

The first part of the relatively steep ascent along trail 16 is now already behind you. Watch out for a marked tree with two stems and a text of the type "Hier stand ....." encarved into it. Focus on the name of the person mentioned. The full name is a bit hard to read, but you only need the first letter.

  • F: The positional number of the name's first letter in the alphabet (a=1, b=2 etc).


Route information: Continue along trail 16 to the summit of the Schöckl. Waypoints H5 (enjoy the view there) and H6 (turn left into the logging road and soon thereafter head upwards again) might assist you.
Along your way you can visit the Schöcklland 7 cache and the Schöckl tradi cache with minor detours.


Stage 6 (Schöckl motoric park) N 47° 11.902' E 015° 27.863'

You have arrived at the summit area of the Schöckl. In Summer 2016 a new small motoric park has been opened which is available free of charge to everyone. (Attention: Come with more time if you wish to try out all or some of the stages.)

  • G: The total number of yellow springs which fix the balancing elements to the ground.

As a back-up: Subtract two from the number of foot prints (in three colours) at a nearby stage of the balancing path.


Route information: Continue to the summit cross of Schöckl (waypoint H7 and enjoy the view there). Then follow trail 730 down to the saddle (waypoint H8). From there take the ridge trail up to Niederschöckl.


Stage 7 (Niederschöckl, small cross) N 47° 11.821' E 015° 26.838'

Now you have arrived at the summit area of Niederschöckl. There is a tiny summit cross.
Have a closer look at the box which contains the summit register.

  • H: The number of little tube-like openings on the bottom of the box.

As a back-up: Subtract 2 from the total number of screws which fix the box (consider both the backside of the box and the rock).


Route information: Continue further along the ridge trail towards H9. Along the way you can visit the Niederschöckl cache.


Stage 8 (Loregg, Theisslwirt ahead) N 47° 11.106' E 015° 25.689'

Now the descent along the lonesome trail from the Niederschöckl is behind you and it is not far any longer to the Theisslwirt inn (the oldest inn on Schöckl).

Watch out for two hiking sign posts. (Comment January 2024: Apparently these signs have been removed forever. Use backup 2 or 3.)

  • J: The number of letters of the word immediately after Theisslwirt on the second sign.
Backup 1: Subtract 5 from the two digit number to be found on the first sign.

If the signs are missing, you can make use of one of the following two backups.

Backup 2: Watch out for an arrow on a small piece of rock. Which colour and orientation does it have?
  • yellow and pointing downwards: J=9
  • red and pointing upwards: J=11
  • red and pointing downwards: J=10
  • yellow and pointing upwards: J=12
  • blue and pointing downwards: J=8
  • blue and pointing upwards: J=13
Backup 3: Continue to waypoint B8: Watch out for a hiking sign. Subtract 10 from the two digit number on the sign.



Route information: Trail 767/GUW will be your companion until the end of this cache.


Stage 9 (Chapel in Präbichl) N 47° 11.842' E 015° 25.187'

Some of you might only know the Präbichl near Vordernberg and so it might be your first encounter with the little village Präbichl near Semriach. You now have arrived at a small chapel. There is also the Muhrkogel cache nearby.

Watch out for a green street sign with an attached white sign with numbers on it.

  • K: The product (not the sum!) of all the digits on the white sign.



Calculations


At Stage 9 there is a bench for performing the calculations. Alternatively, you can use make use of the multichecker if you have mobile internet access. (The multichecker option is an experiment - if it gets abused, I will remove this option.)

  • U = (H + 1) * (C + D) + A * J - 2*K -1
  • V = (B + G) * (F - J) + F * (K + 2) + 1
  • X = 11.500 + U / 1000
  • Y = 23.500 + V / 1000



Final N 47° X' E 015° Y'

To approach the final you need not climb over or under a fence.

The cache container is a small lock and lock container which only contains a log book, a pencil (I hope I did not forget to put it into the box) and a cache note. It is hidden at a characteristic hideout location but not any longer at the most obvious spot as it got moved a bit to the right. You might want to take along the spoiler photos. Please rehide the cache container well.



Route information: From the cache follow the trail 767/GUW down to Kesselfallstrasse (waypoint HA) and back to the Sandwirt inn.


Change log:

November 25, 2016: Added link to German description.
November 25, 2016: Changed slightly the formulation for the back-up version for variable A.
November 28, 2016: Adapted information on time/length somewhat.
November 29, 2016: Changed rivets to screws for the back-up version for variable H.
November 29, 2016: Added an option for checking D (see box before Stage 4 and hint).
December 18, 2016: Added a second option for checking D (see Stage 4 and hint).
December 30, 2016: Changed colour of backup object at Stage 3. Added alternative parking coordinates.
November 26, 2017: The task to obtain G at Stage 6 got updated to account for a change in the number of yellow springs.
November 27, 2017: Change back to the original version for G.
October 26, 2018: New alternative question at Stage 1. Comments added about changes with respect to parking and the final hideout.
June 20, 2019: Added two backup questions for Stage 8 which can be used when the signs are missing.
January 15, 2024: Mentioned that the tree on the left at Stage 4 got cut down. The third backup for Stage 8 got adapted to make it work again. The original signs at Stage 8 have apparently been removed forever.

Additional waypoints   Convert coordinates

Parking
N 47° 12.065'
E 015° 23.990'
Parking lot/Parkplatz Sandwirt
Stage or reference point
N 47° 12.298'
E 015° 23.928'
Stage 1/Station 1
Stage or reference point
N 47° 12.587'
E 015° 24.444'
Stage 2/Station 2
Stage or reference point
N 47° 12.785'
E 015° 25.931'
Stage 3/Station 3
Stage or reference point
N 47° 12.889'
E 015° 26.695'
Stage 4/Station 4
Stage or reference point
N 47° 12.204'
E 015° 27.713'
Stage 5/Station 5
Stage or reference point
N 47° 11.902'
E 015° 27.863'
Stage 6/Station 6
Stage or reference point
N 47° 11.821'
E 015° 26.838'
Stage 7/Station 7
Stage or reference point
N 47° 11.106'
E 015° 25.689'
Stage 8/Station 8
Stage or reference point
N 47° 11.842'
E 015° 25.187'
Stage 9/Station 9
Path
N 47° 12.229'
E 015° 23.942'
H1: Start Kesselfall gorge/Start Kesselfallklamm
Path
N 47° 12.742'
E 015° 26.377'
H2: Follow trail 18 / Folge Weg 18
Path
N 47° 12.861'
E 015° 26.501'
H3: Bench and nice view / Bank und nette Aussicht
Path
N 47° 12.283'
E 015° 27.616'
H4: Hunter's trail / Jaegersteig
Path
N 47° 12.182'
E 015° 27.763'
H5: Enjoy the view / Geniesse die Aussicht
Point of interest
N 47° 11.894'
E 015° 27.599'
H7: Schoeckl summit cross (nice view) / Schoecklgipfelkreuz (schoene Aussicht)
Path
N 47° 11.793'
E 015° 27.035'
H8: Start of trail to Niederschoeckl / Wegstart auf den Niederschoeckl
Path
N 47° 11.410'
E 015° 26.069'
H9
Path
N 47° 12.126'
E 015° 24.213'
HA: Back at Kesselfallstrasse / Zurück auf Kesselfallstrasse
Path
N 47° 12.128'
E 015° 27.838'
H6: Left on logging road and then further up / nach links auf Forststrasse und dann gleich wieder nach oben
Parking
N 47° 11.955'
E 015° 24.020'
Alternative parking location for visitors of the Kesselfall gorge

Alternativer Parkplatz für Kesselfallbesucher
Stage or reference point
N 47° 11.346'
E 015° 25.681'
B8: Backup Stage 8
Info The additional waypoints are shown on the map when the cache is selected, are included in GPX file downloads and will be sent to the GPS device.

Additional hint   Decrypt

[Check 2 for D:] Q+2 qvivfvoyr ol Z
[Check for U and V:] Fhz bs qvtvgf bs H naq I rdhnyf N + W
[Final, Hint 1] Ebbg nern, abg va ebpxl ubyr
[Final, Hint 2] Evtug fvqr (sebz orybj)

A|B|C|D|E|F|G|H|I|J|K|L|M
N|O|P|Q|R|S|T|U|V|W|X|Y|Z

Pictures

Spoiler: Note here/Nicht hier - Container got moved to the right/Behälter wurde weiter rechts versteckt
Spoiler: Note here/Nicht hier - Container got moved to the right/Behälter wurde weiter rechts versteckt
Spoiler: Hideout object (Hideout not marked) / Versteckobjekt (Versteck nicht markiert)
Spoiler: Hideout object (Hideout not marked) / Versteckobjekt (Versteck nicht markiert)
Spoiler: Search here (Hideout area marked) / Suche hier (Versteckgebiet markiert)
Spoiler: Search here (Hideout area marked) / Suche hier (Versteckgebiet markiert)
Spoiler: Old hideout from 2016 (close up) / Altes Versteck von 2016 (nahe dran)
Spoiler: Old hideout from 2016 (close up) / Altes Versteck von 2016 (nahe dran)

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Log entries for Schoeckl Tour North - Let's go for a hike    Found 2x Not found 0x Note 3x Maintenance 6x

Available 15 January 2024 cezanne has maintained the cache

[EN:] Many thanks to maulwürf for sending me helpful feedback on changes along the route. As a consequence I made two changes in the description which are not relevant for finding the cache. I mentioned that the tree at the left side of the road at Stage 4 got cut down and I adapted Backup 3 for Stage 8 to make it work again (in case Backup 2 happens to fail which is not very likely to happen but cannot be excluded). I am curious whether it will take another year until the next find.

[DE:] Vielen Dank an maulwürf fuer die Zusendung von sehr hilfreichem Feedback zu Änderungen entlang der Strecke. Als Resultat habe ich 2 Änderungen in der Beschreibung durchgeführt. Zum einen ist nun erwähnt, dass der Baum auf der linken Straßenseite bei Station 4 gefällt wurde. Zum anderen wurde das Backup 3 für Station 8 so adaptiert, dass es unter den aktuellen Gegebenheiten funktioniert (für den Fall, dass irgendwann Backup 2 nicht mehr funktionieren sollte was unwahrscheinlich ist
aber nicht auszuschliessen). Ich bin neugierig ob es wieder ein Jahr dauert bis zum nächsten Fund.

Found The geocache is in good or acceptable condition. Recommended 20 March 2022 Euni found the geocache

Zunächst erst einmal vielen Dank an cezanne für diesen tollen Multi. Eine Empfehlung ist hier Pflicht. Alle Stationen konnten gut gefunden werden und der Cachezustand ist bestens. Die Dose war ja schon länger nicht mehr gefunden worden. Der Checker ist eine Hilfe, wenn man sich irgendwo nicht sicher ist. Ich war mit meiner Tochter unterwegs. Ihr hat am besten der Abschnitt am Niederschöckl gefallen. Wir waren uns bei der Baumart nicht sicher (Ich hatte schließlich recht), da brauchten wir nicht die Backups. Sehr schöne Runde, die wir bei bestem Wetter und guter Sicht absolvierten. Leider fährt der Bus 140 am Wochenende selten, daher hatten wir uns diesen Cache bisher nicht vorgenommen. Nichts getauscht. Euni

Available 20 June 2019 cezanne has maintained the cache

[EN:] Apparently the two hiking signs at Stage 8 are not there at the moment. I added two backup questions: one to be answered directly at Stage 8 and one at the new additional waypoint B8. I thank gvet23 for informing about the situation at Stage 8. Everything else appears to be in order.

[DE:] Offenbar sind die beiden Wanderschilder bei Station 8 im Moment nicht vor Ort. Ich habe 2 Backup Fragen hinzugefuegt: die eine kann direkt bei Station 8 beantwortet werden und die andere am neu hinzugefuegten Wegpunkt B8. Vielen Dank an gvet23 fuer die Information zu Station 8. Ansonsten scheint alles in Ordnung zu sein.

Available 27 October 2018 cezanne has maintained the cache

[EN:] I'm very grateful to aj-gps for making me aware of some changes and for sending me helpful photos. As a consequence thereof I made the following changes to the description.

Update of parking information: a new parking area for visitors of the gorge has been set up close to the Sandwirt inn.

New alternative for Stage 1: A new question to obtain A for those who cannot/do not want to walk through the gorge has been added.

Final location: Someone moved the cache container from its orginal hideout a bit to the right. Two spoiler photos have been added. Ones shows where not to search and one shows the area where to search.

[DE:] Ich bin aj-gps sehr dankbar dafuer dass er mich auf einige Aenderungen aufmerksam gemacht hat und mir hilfreiche Fotos geschickt hat. Auf dieser Basis habe ich die Beschreibung wie folgt veraendert:

Aktualisierung der Parkplatzinformation: Es wurde ein eigenes Parkbereich für Kesselfallbesucher errichtet.

Neue Alternative für Station 1: Aufgrund einer Aenderung vor Ort musste die Frage zur alternativen Bestimmung von A (fuer Personen, die nicht durch die Klammen gehen koennen/wollen) verändert werden.

Versteck des Finals: Jemand hat die Dose vom urspruenglichen Versteck in ein neues Versteck weiter rechts verfrachtet. Ich habe 2 zusaetzliche Fotos hinzugefügt - eines zeigt wo nicht gesucht werden soll, das andere wo gesucht werden soll.

Available 27 November 2017 cezanne has maintained the cache

[EN:] Based on the feedback of the_jkb I changed the task at Stage 6 back to the original one.

[DE:] Basierend auf dem Feedback von the_jkb habe ich die Aufgabe bei Station 6 wieder in die urspruengliche Form gebracht.

Available 26 November 2017 cezanne has maintained the cache

[EN:] I'd like to express my gratitude to the recent finders for writing logs that made me realize that something changed at Stage 6. As a consequence thereof I reformulated the task that leads to the variable G to account for a change in the number of yellow springs.

I'm delighted that this cache (my own favourite among my caches) got visited again after months of inactivity,

[DE:] Ich moechte mich bei den letzten Findern fuer die Logs bedanken, die hilfreiche Informationen beinhalteten und mir bewusst machten, dass sich bei Station 6 etwas veraendert hat. Als Konsequenz habe ich die Aufgabe, die zur Variable G fuehrt, umformuliert.

Es freut mich dass nach Monaten der Inaktivitaet dieser Cache (mein eigener Favorit unter meinen Caches) wieder Besuch bekam.

Note 02 January 2017 cezanne wrote a note

EN:] hero1982 informed me that due to forestry works there is a temporary prohibited zone (according to the sign valid from January 1- February 28) in the area where the Jaegersteig (hunter's trail) starts. During this period an alternative route is to follow the logging road which branchs off at N 47° 12.250 E 015° 27.530 upwards which will bring you to the Jaegersteig higher up. Stage 5 stays reachable. During weekends probably the original route could be used as well.

[DE:] hero1982 hat mich von einem temporaeren forstlichen Sperrgebiet (1.1. 2017 - 28.2. 2017) im Bereich des Zugangs zum Jaegersteig informiert. Waehrend dieser Zeit bietet sich als Alternativroute an der Forststrasse, die bei N 47° 12.250 E 015° 27.530 abzweigt, aufwaerts zu folgen. Auf diese Weise erreicht man den Jägersteig dann weiter oben. Station 5 bleibt erreichbar. An Wochenende ist eventuell auch die Originalroute benutzbar.

last modified on 03 January 2017

Note 21 December 2016 cezanne wrote a note

[DE:] Da Weihnachten naht, habe ich mich dazu entschieden einen 2. Hinweis fuer D hinzuzufuegen, der jenen helfen sollte, die sich mit der Baumfrage bei Station 4 schwer tun und mit dem 1. Hinweis nichts anfangen koennen, weil sie wichtige Teile der Beschreibung uebersprungen haben. Danke an knato fuer die Hilfe beim Finden einer Zusatzfrage vor Ort.

Bitte beachten, dass aktuell der ohnedies geschlossene Theisslwirt nicht erreichbar ist. Die kurze Umgehung ist vor Ort ausgeschildert. Der Vollstaendigkeit wegen habe ich jedoch ein [Foto](https://www.geocaching.com/seek/upload.aspx?id=5948035) hochgeladen, das ebenfalls von knato zur Verfuegung gestellt wurde.

Aufgrund von knatos Daten (keine Umwege zu anderen Caches) habe ich die Distanzangabe von ca. 21 km auf 20-21km veraendert. Das ist auch naeher an meiner urspruenglichen Angabe.

Ich freue mich auf weitere Besucher und deren Fotos. Eines der Fotos von knato zeigt eindrucksvoll wieso ein Tag mit guter Aussicht eine empfehlenswerte Wahl fuer diesen Cache darstellt.


[EN:] Since Christmas is approaching, I decided to add a second hint for D which should help those who have difficulties with the tree question at Stage 4 but cannot use the first hint due to having skipped important parts of the cache description. Thanks are due to knato who helped me in finding an appropriate additional question.

Please note that at the moment the (anyway closed) Theisslwirt inn cannot be reached. A good description for the short deviation from the route of the cache is described at the point where access to the construction site is forbidden. For the sake of completeness I have however uploaded
[a photo](https://www.geocaching.com/seek/upload.aspx?id=5948035) of the text which explains the changed route. This photo has been kindly provided by knato.

Due to knato's data I adapted the distance information from 21 km to 20-21 km. That's closer to my original data.

I'm looking forward to further visitors and their photos. One of knato's photos demonstrates impressively why it is recommendable to visit this cache on a day with good view.

Found The geocache is in good or acceptable condition. 17 December 2016, 15:45 knato found the geocache

Als ich erst kürzlich wieder einmal am Standardweg vom Schöcklkreuz unterwegs war, fasste ich den Vorsatz, auch einmal den Zugang über die Nordseite auszuprobieren... - Und dann kam plötzlich dieser Multi - fast schon so, als ob cezanne meine Gedanken gelesen hätte Lächelnd.

Heute früh um 8.30 Uhr ging es gemeinsam mit flonatur bei frostigen -5 Grad auch schon los. Das Listing ließ erwartungsgemäß keine Fragen offen. Besonders gut gefiel mir die Idee bei einigen Stages gleich im Vorhinein Backupfragen zu Verfügung zu stellen. Damit dürften unliebsame Überraschungen so gut wie ausgeschlossen sein.

Stage 1 war gleich im Vorbeigehen erledigt, bei Stage 2 befürchteten wir beim Lesen der Fragestellung zunächst, die Stage übersehen zu haben, da wir annahmen, dass mit der Kerschbaummühle jene beim Klammausgang gemeint war. Die gesuchten Ziffern waren jedoch äußerst charakteristisch (beschrieben), sodass unsere Zweifel schnell ausgeräumt waren.

Nachdem wir den Rötschgraben, Stage 3, hinter uns gelassen hatten zeigte sich beim Oberen Windhof endlich die Sonne. Hier genossen wir die Wärme und den ersten Ausblick auf die erstaunlich wenig verschneite Berglandschaft (Gleinalm, Amering, etc). Leider begingen wir hier den Fehler, das Listing nur oberflächlich zu lesen bzw. uns lediglich die Fragen zu den Stages herauszupicken.

Und so kam es bei Stage 4 wie es kommen musste... wir scheiterten an der Baumfrage. Leider stellte sich dann heraus, dass die Örtlichkeit für die Backupfrage bereits hinter bzw. auch einige Höhenmeter unter uns lag. Da wir keine Chance sahen, die Baumfrage alleine zu lösen, wurde gegoogelt und parallel auch gleich ein Foto an eine vermeintlich kundige Person versandt. Leider konnte uns auch diese nicht weiterhelfen, sodass schließlich ein Vorfinder kontaktiert werden musste.

Nun kam ein Abschnitt auf den ich mich bereits besonders gefreut hatte: Der mir noch unbekannte Jägersteig, mit Stage 5, auf der Nordseite. Ganz schön steil, dafür waren wir dann aber auch in Null-Komma-Nix oben am Schöckl, Stage 6. In Anbetracht der bevorstehenden Mittagszeit (11.45 Uhr) begaben wir uns sogleich in Richtung Stubenberghaus wo wir ein hervorragendes Mittagessen einnahmen.

Frisch gestärkt ging es dann über den Westgipfel zum Niederschöckl, Stage 7. Das Gipfelkreuz war zwar belagert, Dank der "defensiven" Natur der Fragestellung konnten wir diese völlig unauffällig beantworten. Der Weg entlang des Grats war wieder einmal der reinste Genuss: Viel Sonne, warme Temperaturen, vergleichsweise einsame Wege und eine gigantische Fernsicht.

Kurz vor dem Theißlwirt, gleich nach Stage 8, gab es wie bereits in anderen Logs erwähnt, aufgrund einer Baustelle eine kleine Umleitung, die jedoch im Sinne dieses Multis ohnehin der idealen Wegführung entsprach. Wir staunten über das dort angebrachte, äußerst durchdachte Infosheet (Verbotstafel mit Bitte um Verständnis, inkl. einer sinnvollen Begründung (Baugrube) und eines Satellitenbildes mit eingezeichneter Umleitung). Dass es auch komplett hirnlos und fremdenverkehrsfeindlich geht, musste ich erst kürzlich in der Schladminger Gegend feststellen...

Beim Muhrkogel-Tradi, Stage 9, wurden dann die erforderlichen Rechnungen durchgeführt. Als äußerst praktisch erwies sich der neue Multichecker (das Konzept kannten wir noch nicht), der nicht nur die gesammelten Werte bestätigt, sondern auch gleich die Final-Koordinaten preisgibt. Leider realisierten wir dies erst nach dem Rechnen Überrascht.

Die Suche am Ground Zero dauerte nicht lange, da die Koordinaten äußerst genau waren. Versteck, Dose und Logbuch befinden sich in bestem Zustand.

Vielen Dank für das tolle Weihnachtsgeschenk in Form dieser wunderschönen Wanderung.

20km, 7,5h brutto (davon 1,25h im Stubenberghaus), 1060hm

Available 28 November 2016 cezanne has maintained the cache

[EN:] Congratulations to those who have found the cache up to now, first finders and those fighting with the cold weather from today alike. Thank you very much for the kind logs.

Given the experiences reported so far I have increased the numbers for expected distance and time requirement a bit. For certain reasons I do not have reliable track data available for my own hike. Note that the provided time interval is quite large - individual factors and also the conditions on the day of the visit play an important role. Of course those who come by public transportation have to add the time needed for the way from and to the bus.

To me the ascent did not feel tiresome at all and I was not tired at the end of the hike (in contrast to quite a number of hikes I have went for). As I'm used to that almost most hikers are faster than myself and often considerably faster, I might have wrongly estimated the walking times for this cache. I will try to watch what future finders will report. The same applies to those who wish to visit further caches along the way.

[DE:] Herzliche Gratulation an jene, die den Cache bereits gefunden haben, Erstfinder und auch jene, die mit den heutigen eisigen Temperaturen zu kaempfen hatten. Vielen Dank fuer die netten Logs.

Basierend auf den bisher berichteten Erfahrungen habe ich die Zahlen die fuer die zu erwartende Distanz und die Zeitanforderungen angegeben waren etwas ergoeht. Aus gewissen Gruenden habe ich keine verlaesslichen Trackdaten meiner Wanderung zur Verfuegung.

Bitte beachtet dass das Intervall fuer den Zeitbedarf recht gross ist - individuelle Faktoren und die Bedingungen am Tag des Besuchs spielen hier eine grosse Rolle.

Fuer mich war der Anstieg nicht anstrengend und ich war auch nicht muede am Ende der Wanderung (ganz im Gegensatz zu so manch anderer Wanderung die mir zugesetzt hat). Da ich gewohnt bin, dass die meisten Wanderer schneller sind als ich (zum Teil sehr erheblich), kann es sein, dass ich fuer diese Strecke den Zeitbedarf etwas falsch eingeschaetzt habe. Ich werde versuchen auch im Auge zu behalten was zukuenftige Finder berichten. Selbstverstaendlich muessen jene die mit dem Bus kommen noch extra die Zeit einkalkulieren fuer den Anmarsch vom Bus und zurueck zum Bus. Analoges gilt fuer den Zeitbedarf, der aus dem Besuch anderer Caches resultiert.

last modified on 05 December 2016

Note 23 November 2016 cezanne wrote a note

[EN:] I'm tired of the high number of puzzle caches and powertrail-like series of traditionals (also when they are not used for battleshipping mystery caches). This cache against the current trend is uniquely about the hike. It's the type of cache I like to find the most. If do not enjoy hiking, this cache is not a good choice for you.

End of November is not the best time of the year but I could not resist to let others share my experience and on the day I hid the cache I had not been aware of the snow that arrived a few days later.



There has been no beta-test.

[DE:] Ich bin der hohen Zahl an Raetselcaches und powertrail-artigen Serien von Traditionals (auch dann wenn sie nicht benutzt werden um mit Gewalt Raetselcaches zu finden) ueberdruessig. Bei diesem Cache entgegen dem aktuellen Trend geht es nur um die Wanderung. Es handelt sich um die Art von Cache, die ich selbst am liebsten finde. Wenn Du nicht gerne wanderst, ist dieser Cache keine gute Wahl.

Ende November ist nicht der ideale Zeitpunkt fuer diesen Cache aber ich konnte nicht widerstehen anderen die Chance zu bieten meine Wandererfahrung zu teilen und am Tag als ich den Cache versteckte wusste ich noch nichts vom wenige Tage darauf eintreffenden Schnee.


Es gab keinen Betatest.

last modified on 28 November 2016